Will Slater A couple of weeks ago, Ms. Rodriguez set forth a goal to the student body: that we must engage in respectful and constructive discourse, value one another’s opinions, and stand as models for our community and the communities around us. A week later, at convocation, seniors and confused kindergarteners alike heard about Mr. Dunn’s promising vision of Latin students as well-rounded learners, willing to take risks and ask questions. Given this goal, it makes perfect sense that Latin would bring in Imagination Theater to model good discussion habits. The performance was engaging and funny, but, at the same time, the messages and questions to the audience were basic to the point of being pandering. Imagination Theater, despite a noble effort, ultimately missed the point. Latin kids don’t struggle to have productive discussions because we’ve never been taught the techniques to do so; we struggle because we are yet to rise above the society that has made us. Even politicians don’t know how to talk about politics, much less world issues. Take, for instance, the presidential debates. The success of a candidate in a debate rests mostly on the ability to regurgitate clever, memorized one-liners. The sway these snappy lines have depends on timing, delivery, and, of course, the newspaper headlines the next day. Abandoned in this hectic process is any actual discussion, difficult questions, or demand for a policy explanation. Needless to say, it’s understandable why Latin kids struggle to have productive discussions. Sure, good techniques are generally practiced in the classroom, but the unregulated debates that take place in the halls or cafeteria or library are beyond anyone’s control. Changes won’t occur simply by a theater group asking students if yelling at others is good or bad. The issue remains that intelligent debate can’t take place until we become better informed, more open-minded, and willing to accept one’s right to an opposing arguments. All of that said, it’s worthwhile to remember that not all opinions are created equal. Ms. Hennessy asked an important question during the assembly, something to the effect of “is it ever okay not to say ‘I hear you,’ to not accept someone else’s opinion as valid?” It’s a ridiculous notion that two contradictory opinions should always be treated as equally legitimate. Some opinions are based on facts, and some aren’t. Some are ethical and fair, and some defined by prejudice or hate. Some stories have far more than two sides, and some only have one. Take, for instance, the model discussion done by Imagination Theatre on immigration As one freshman bravely pointed out, an “opinion” of millions of Americans, and echoed by an actor on stage, that immigrants are taking the jobs of Americans and hurting the economy is simply wrong. Left unchecked, rogue opinions like these can quickly dismantle a productive discussion. At our school, we have both rights and responsibilities, freedoms and obligations. Yes, we are entitled to our opinions, but there is an unwritten duty to make those opinions substantive and constructive. Ms. Rodriguez’s vision of respectful discourse and inclusion in our community, will only exist in a school that will listen to all ideas, but hear only the legitimate. ]]>
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dmartin • Oct 4, 2016 at 6:54 pm
Will, I also thought Ms. Hennesey’s question deserved further scrutiny and conversation; after all, that is the question most of us struggle with at Latin, not “right” and “wrong” ways to disagree with one another. I find myself agreeing with your statement that “not all opinions are created equal.” That’s not to say that not all perspectives should be respected or that the people with these opinions are unequal, but to say that some opinions are more informed than others, rooted in more fact, more insight. Although I tend to agree with you on your immigration example, I think the points that Nick and Logan brought up are valid. To make a statement as bold as yours, one must support it with evidence and fact, and most of the time there are two sides. There are, however, examples when there is more evidence to support one side than the other. Take any court case: there is enough evidence on each side to support one stance, but in the end, the court must issue a decision, deeming one side “more right” than the other.
As a sidenote, by definition, and opinion cannot be outright wrong. An opinion is defined as “a view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge.”
jgross • Oct 4, 2016 at 8:50 pm
great point
lmccutch • Oct 5, 2016 at 8:00 am
I agree. Didn’t think about the court analogy. Well done.
lmccutch • Oct 3, 2016 at 10:57 pm
First of all, very well written article. The points were all clearly thought out and I do agree with most of them. However, in regards to the immigrants taking american jobs part, there is always some sort of rationale behind it based on something real, no matter how twisted it may be. It is not an opinion I agree with, but what is behind it are two facts: Some undocumented immigrants have jobs and some american citizens don’t. That is certainly true. My own personal feeling on the matter is that there are lots of immigrants who actually create jobs by bringing their businesses here, increasing the work force. What is important in a discussion is looking at both opinions and the facts behind them and acknowledging them. You don’t have to agree with them, but there isn’t a need to say that one’s opinion is just illegitimate. Nothing is ever simply wrong, it’s just a different approach to the facts available.
That being said… despite what I say, there are some opinions that I have a very hard time legitimizing, even if they are based on facts. That is where our own viewpoint comes in. We look at an argument that someone is making, how they are connecting facts, and think, “How on earth could you possibly come up with something like that? I mean, I understand what they are saying, but to me it’s wrong!” That would be a time where it would be appropriate to politely exit the conversation, preferably without outright denying everything that was just said to you even if you want to. If you did, that would just cause a slew of other problems and if you were to ever run into that person again, the environment might be a bit more hostile. You at least heard their opinion and why they feel that way, and that is what’s important.
Also, to all the Middle East students out there, this (to me) is the idea behind the book Side By Side. Two narratives based on facts who couldn’t agree to a compromise, so they put their viewpoints next to each other so that other people could form their own opinions, as opposed to one version of history. Have fun with Fript!
nschuler • Oct 3, 2016 at 7:43 pm
What makes you say this: “immigrants are taking the jobs of Americans and hurting the economy is simply wrong”?
I don’t think there is enough available evidence to conclusively say that is wrong. Even if it is, you don’t even explain why that is absolutely 100% wrong.
wslater • Oct 4, 2016 at 8:39 pm
Nick, thanks for commenting.
Though I only used immigration as an example, and as such didn’t include evidence in my article, it’s worth pointing out that my stance is resoundingly backed by facts. See, for instance, the links below with stats researched by the US government, the centrist Brookings institute, and the well respected website, FiveThirtyEight. To you and others that have commented, you bring up a valid grievance, that the legitimacy of an opinion isn’t always black and white. In some cases, with issues solely resting on subjectivity, I agree that one opinion isn’t “more right” than another. In many cases though, in the end, as much as one side calls the other ridiculous, facts remain.
http://www.hamiltonproject.org/assets/legacy/files/downloads_and_links/050412_jobs_greenstone_looney.pdf
https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/09_immigration.pdf
http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/everything-donald-trumps-immigration-plan-gets-wrong/
https://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/docs/cea_2014_economic_effects_of_immigration_executive_action.pdf
jgross • Oct 3, 2016 at 3:19 pm
What has always gotten me about calling an opposing opinion wrong, is that the person of the opposite stance would say the same exact thing about my opinion. So how could one opinion be deemed definitively wrong? Clearly, to me, an opinion might be offensive and just flat out ridiculous, but I could receive the same criticism for an opinion that I consider fair and reasonable. This has always stumped me.